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So the good news is that I confirmed with my doctor that I am doing a 20-10 decrease on the Lupron once I start the stim protocol. My poor nurse. I made her check with him about 6 times. “But you’re sure he knows that last time I did 20-20, right?” “No, I mean, really sure because I think he thinks I did 20-5.” “Okay, but you’re absolutely certain that my record reflects 20-20, right?” “I mean, definitely he knows I did 20-20, and even though he said increase on the phone, he actually meant decrease, right? He *does* know what he’s doing, right? RIGHT?”

Um.

Not like I didn’t think SuperDoc knew what he was doing or anything.

I, um. I mean. Of course SuperDoc knows what he’s doing!

Um.

Ohmygod whatthehelliswrongwithme? When did I turn into *that* patient? I must be stopped. Hopefully they just think it’s the Lupron talking? Maybe they just think I’m a little knackered? A lot? Surely they *must* know these drugs make their patients crazy, we don’t all start out this way. Right?

The bad news is my head hurts. Shocker. Maybe when I decrease to 10units, life will be dandy again. I can dream, right?

Like a sword

The pain ripping through my head is like a sword stuck into my head. Through my eyeball, perhaps. The pain is palpable.

I forgot this was what it would be like. My head hurt so much and I couldn’t figure out why. Not my normal migraine. And then, then I remembered what I did this morning.


The news I’ve been trying not to say out loud, in case SuperDoc rips it away from me next week, is that it appears I’ll have a reprieve this cycle. Last cycle I took 20 units prior to stims and stayed on 20 units after starting stims. But despite his original statement to me that this cycle we’d increase or stay the same on Lupron… it appears that this cycle I’m decreasing the Lupron dose to 10 units once I start stims.

That…. that would be lovely. If it happens. I hope it happens. I’m afraid it won’t.

L – 1

Lupron starts tomorrow.

You have been warned.

Reboot?

You know, I think I can just give up on March right now.  Let's review:

March 1:  Ellie gets admitted to hospital.  Diagnosed with Reactive Airway disease.
March 2:  Ellie spends the entire day in the hospital and is eventually released (admittedly this is a bonus).  That night is not a great night.
March 3:  I get rear ended.  My husband's car breaks down in B'more.
March 4:  Abby gets really sick.  Like, I almost took HER to the emergency room kind of sick. 
March 5:  Abby still sick.  Ellie still getting nebulizer treatments.  But at least I'm back from work.
March 6: Hallelujah!  Ellie's back to normal.  Abby's on the mend.  I'm totally exhausted, but no one is in crisis.
March 7:  Lovely day, guests for lunch, fun walk with the triplets in the afternoon.  All good.
March 8:  All hell broke lose in the morning.  I did not handle it well.  The afternoon redeemed itself.

Which brings us to yesterday.

We knew we had a plumbing issue because the last quarter of 2008 our water bill was near $700 (our normal quarterly water bill is ~$130).   Our sump pump has been running regularly, which it has never done in the 4 1/2 years we have lived in our house.  Never.  Not once.  Not even in torrential downpour that has flooded all the other neighborhood basemements.    We had our handyman out to check to see if there was a problem inside the house.  Nope.  No problem.  He shut off all the water and noticed that he could still hear water coming in the pipe into the house.  He walked around the house and found that, in fact, there was a soggy ground all around the side of our house, despite there having been no rain or snow in the several weeks prior.  He postulated that the pipe between the water meter and the house was broken.  But he doesn't fix that kind of problem.  The last time he knew someone with that kind of problem it was 5 or 6 years ago and it cost about $3K to fix.  Crap.

We had our water company come back out to confirm that there really was a problem.  Yes, Houston, we had a problem.  We are using a thousand gallons of water a day.  Clearly, there's a major leak somewhere.  In older houses like ours, they didn't, for whatever reason, put the water  meter at the front of the house where the plumbing was going to run into the house.  Rather, they put the water meter at the back of the house and ran the pipe all the way to the front.  65 feet of pipe where that leak could have happened.  Now we needed to find a master plumber.  That's where yesterday comes in.

We had two plumbers come out yesterday.  The first quote came in at $6500.  It would involve digging a 65 foot trench, 43 inches deep, and replacing the pipe, having it inspected, all the permits, closing up the trench, etc.  *gasp*  He could start Monday.    The second quote came in at $5850.  They have a different way of doing things…  they'll go through the masonry inside the house, and dig underground with an air piston for 62 feet and only dig for the last 3 feet to the meter.  This involves less damage to my yard, which is good since we spent a considerable amount of money regrading the yard and redoing the landscaping last Spring.  And of course, none of these costs cover the cost of redoing any of our landscaping after they destroy it.    They could start the next day (today, Tuesday).    We signed the contract and hired them.  Six thousand dollars.

Oh.  My.  Gawd.

 
Um, but on the plus side, no children in the hospital this week.  Right?  RIGHT?


We went to Playwise kids today to meet up with some friends, and got the first family photo that we've had in 4 months taken. It's always difficult squeezing all six of us into a photo, but this one wasn't too bad!

The kids had a great time, though the triplets were definitely tired, having skipped their morning nap, and since we were there during their normal afternoon nap time… but it was worth it, as usual. Some quick highlights:

Abby getting ready to go down a slide
J-man having fun with sand.

Sam was not nearly as enamored with sand as the J-man. Sam was PETRIFIED of the sand and quite mortified to find it sticking to his hand. He was quite offended by it and didn't like it one bit. I felt a tiny bit guilty taking this picture before comforting him, but it was worth the guilt.

Ellie was the only one who really loved the sand pit. Abby spent the entire time in Abba's lap, but Ellie dug in the sand, and had a grand old time.


And here's Abby – where she spent the entire duration of her stay in the sand pit – in Abba's lap. My little adventuress.
Sam-man showing off.

J-man built this awesome T-rex.

Brotherly Love. Sam had a great time sliding down with the J-man. The triplets fought over the opportunity to have a slide trip with big brother, and big brother couldn't get enough of the attention, either.

Ellie flying!

Abby posing.

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Once we reached the melt-down stage at Playwise Kids, we packed up the monsters and headed toward home. The triplets napped enough in the car that we were able to stop for dinner and when we got home, the babies went down for bed at their normal bed time, not even noticing that daylight savings time had snuck in so their normal 6:30 bedtime was really 5:30 on their natural biorhythm. They were tuckered, regardless!! Thank goodness!

Dangit

So last summer I went for my, uh, we’ll call it annual physical with my PCP. Yeah. Annual. That’s right. Something like that. And I was pronounced in good health, post delivery of HOMs. My weight was down significantly from my pre-pregnancy weight (though, of course, I could still stand to lose weight, my doctor was thrilled with the weight loss and never ever tells me I need to lose more – I love her), my cholesterol was down, my triglycerides were down, my blood pressure (as usual) was low, I’m not diabetic. The perfect picture of health.

So when she asked if I had any other questions, it would have been easy to just skip right on out of there and go on with my life… but something odd had been happening every month, like clockwork. Since delivering my babies, I’d been having a period every single month. As if that weren’t odd enough, for the 10-12 days before my period would arrive, I was … not myself. Raging lunatic would be a better way of putting it. Crying, depressed, incapable of coping with even the tiniest disruption in my expectations for the day. Screaming at my husband. Big, fat, rolling tears at every little thing. Sensitivity to every change in routine. This wasn’t a little PMS. This was PMS on crack.

Without even a little hesitation, my wonderful PCP diagnosed me with PMDD – premenstrual dysphoric disorder. Now, I’d never really noticed it before because except for the medication-induced periods, I’d had very few periods in my adult life. But you know? Come to think of it, before each treatment cycle began before I finally got pregnant? I did pretty much fall apart – screaming, fighting, rip-roaring angry for no good reason, crying at the drop of a hat, etc. All about 10-14 or so days before I’d go in for CD3 monitoring for each of my cycles. I always worried that my husband would say, “That’s IT, clearly this is all too much for you, we’re not doing any more of this crap, we’re DONE! because that would have just made everything that much worse!

Fortunately, I have the world’s most wonderful husband, who would never suggest such a thing and he just sits there and takes it. Mostly.

And here I am, a few days before I start Lupron. About a week before I’m going to get my period, and where am I? Crying. Screaming at him. Unable to cope, pretty much at all, with every little change in our projected schedule for today, and NOTHING worked out today the way I’d anticipated. Everyone melted down, including and especially me. Surprise! My old monster of a friend, PMDD. I’d forgotten about her. That dark monster who lives inside me. That black, gooey friend who seeps into every pore of my being and doesn’t let go until the last second.

I never did anything about it last summer because I was breastfeeding and usually you treat PMDD with SSRIs (e.g. Prozac) and Prozac and breastfeeding are… well, not necessarily incompatible, but not really great either. And then I stopped breastfeeding the same week I met with the Doc at the Hatchery, so it wasn’t really the best time to do anything about it then either. And then I started my IVF cycle, and that seemed like a really bad time to start it then, because what if I get pregnant? And really, if I get pregnant, problem solved anyway, because it’s really only those 10-12 days that I need anything regardless (many women with PMDD take SSRIs all the time because they can’t predict their cycles, but most take them only for the second half of their menstrual cycle). But then the cycle failed. But it’s on to the next one, right?

It’s a vicious cycle. How many cycles are going to fail before I do anything about this, do you think? I wonder what SuperDoc would say about me starting an SSRI. Will I have the cojones to ask him about it? Probably not.

Hello? Back to Me!

Yeah, so enough about politics and ZIFT and whathaveyou. Really, this blog is allaboutme! Duh. Though, really, you wouldn’t know it, because there’s seriously nothing going on here in PerkyLand. Still taking the BCPs. Still getting honkin’ huge headaches. Shocking, I know.

I almost cancelled this cycle. Er, postponed I suppose would be a better word. Anyway, I had an absolutely ridiculous week that involved one child in the hospital, one car getting rear ended (with me and another child in it) and another car breaking down (with my husband stranded). Seriously, you can’t make this crap up. It was a bad week. It didn’t seem particularly prudent to be looking down the barrel of that gun they call Lupron Week.

But hey! Lupron week isn’t until next week! And I just know that if I put this off, I’ll be kicking myself later. There’s nothing I abhor more than a break. Nature abhors a vacuum; Ms. Perky abhors a Treatment Break. God Love Tertia and I loved every single word of her book, but the one piece of advice I didn’t find myself nodding along with in her final words was to take breaks between cycles. Not me. No way. No how. Nuh uh. Nosirree. Maybe I’ll be eating my words later and tweeting her with my tail between my legs, but I doubt it. I just think we’re all different. Me? I need to push forward. I’ll be miserable if I don’t.

I just thank HEAVEN that I was not taking Lupron this week. Because if I had been? All hell would have broken loose.

Meanwhile, I have horrifyingly bad cramps. I can’t help but notice that ever since I started the pill I’ve had pretty sharp pains in my right ovary. I have a tiny (growing) voice in my head that keeps wondering if maybe it’s a tiny (growing) cyst. Can you feel cysts? I hope not. Is this all in my imagination? Golly I hope so. But I do definitely have cramps. My period is imminent. As soon as I stop these BCPs, I’ll be getting it, no question. I start Lupron (whee!!!) on Wednesday. Can you imagine if I’d already been on the Lupron during Hell Week? Dear Heavens!

Given all the stress this week it seems a reasonable time to address Lori’s question (and barren’s followup comment):
Have you ever considered adding some stress reduction techniques to your next cycle? I know how stressed you were last time. My clinic believes so strongly about it they have their own stress reduction program.

It is rarely the cycle itself that stresses me out, just so you understand, but rather that my life is so frickin’ nonstop (I know, I know, like having another kid is going to make that any easier?). The truth is that until this past December I was actually a pretty relaxed, calm(ish) person, and then my life kind of went to hell with the successive disasters of several of my friends. One friend had her house burn down with her triplets inside (the triplets, thank heavens, are fine now, but were in the ICU for several weeks). Another friend lost her infant daughter to SIDS a couple weeks later. Another friend’s father was diagnosed with incurable cancer (he died this week). Auditors showed up at my workplace. Then my kids got the plague. Then a set of quintuplets were born nearby and I started helping them because I’m insane. More auditors. Then I got sick. Then the IVF cycle started. Still more auditors (this is normal in my field of work – not a sign of anything bad happening, but does mean an increased workload). Then the IVF cycle failed. Then my daughter went into the hospital (she’s out now, and fine), I got rear ended, my husband’s car broke down, you know, things just haven’t stopped for us, really. Actually, now things are pretty calm. We’ll see if they stay that way. Here’s hoping.

Now would seem like the perfect time to take a break, now that I think about it, wouldn’t it?

Except that it’s NEVER a good time to plan a pregnancy. It’s never the perfect time. And if I wait until my life calms down? Well, forget about it.

So what about stress reduction in the meantime? Well, funny you should mention it. My birthday present from my mother in law was a 60 minute massage. I loathe massages, actually, but I’m going to give it a go, at a strategically placed point in my cycle (I haven’t figured out when that is – suggestions welcome). As for other stress-reduction thingies… I actually do a lot of directed imagery, breathing exercises, and biofeedback techniques throughout my day, paritcularly when I’m in the middle of a cycle. I went through years of biofeedback training as an adolescent because of my migraines and it worked wonders (less so now, but still does an amazing job if I catch a migraine early enough and can take the time to really focus in on the techniques).

My clinic also does feel very strongly about state of mind/state of being affecting cycles, so they have recently established an afflilation with a center for alternative therapy – accupuncture, yoga, various nutritional voodoo, etc. They are a wonderful center that does a lot of wonderful work. So don’t think I’m knocking the suggestion.

I won’t ever do accupuncture because it makes me feel terrible. I tried accupuncture a few times for migraines and it made me feel like I was going to throw up every time. I did give it a fair go, but I felt awful and it left me with this horrible ICK feeling all over when it was done for HOURS. And Yoga. Don’t get me started on Yoga. Yoga does not relax me. Yoga makes me feel fat and awkward and dumb and I spend the entire time wishing I were somewhere else. But breathing exercises? Focusing inward? Personally working toward an inner zen? I’m all for it. Finding a therapist? Might even be all for that. Listening to music before and after my IVFs? Frankly doesn’t make a difference to me whatsoever and wouldn’t ever make me feel like I was doing anything proactive at all. Stabbing myself in the stomach (or bum, as the case may be) feels far more proactive, personally. But to each his own. I think everyone has those things that work for themselves. Me? I could use some good book recommendations for the waiting room. Got any?

Finally, do remember that part of what happens in the blogosphere is that you hear/read what gets transmitted in writing. I don’t spend my whole day focused on the minutiae of my cycle, but when I sit down to write a post about it, that IS, of course, what I’m focused on. Truthfully, I was pretty zen about the whole thing right up until transfer day when SuperDoc said he was going to transfer 8. (he was joking) That sort of broke my zen.

But it’s all good.

Hey, what’s the worst thing that happens, right? The worst thing that happens is this cycle doesn’t work and I’ve blown some more money, some more time, some emotional collateral, and some more energy baking cookies for SuperDoc, SuperNurse, and J, Marketing Supervisor Extraordinaire.

That’s not so bad, right? After all. That would still leave me with one covered cycle on my insurance before having to switch back to The Hatchery.

Anonymous asked:
Any comments on 5 embryos being transfered into a 40+ y/o woman using intra-fallopian transfer?

Well, Anonymous, I’m glad you asked if I had any “comments” vs. “opinions”. Because obviously I don’t know the specifics of the circumstances, so I’ll comment, but only because you asked, and please do bear in mind that I know absolutely nothing about the situation at hand.

Now that I have that out of the way, there’s another important thing to point out. You don’t say if this was Gamete Intra-Fallopian Transfer or Zygote Intra-Fallopian Transfer. Actually, I take that back – you said embryos. So I guess it’s Zygote. Though, do bear in mind that with ZIFT the fertilized eggs, as far as I understand, are transferred into the fallopian tubes immediately after fertilization, before they’ve had any time to develop in the laboratory environment.

You say that the woman is 40+ y/o, but you don’t give any additional information. Were they HER eggs used? Had she had previous ART failures? What is the reason for her doing ZIFT vs. IVF?

I’ve actually never known anyone to do ZIFT for any reason. I don’t know why anyone would. I do know people who have done GIFT for various reasons – the primary reason being religious reasons that bar in vitro fertilization, but would permit fertilization to occur within the woman’s body where medically chances would still be greater by going through egg retrieval for whatever reason. Still, GIFT and ZIFT are becoming a far less popular. Many clinics don’t even offer ZIFT at all (and many also don’t even offer GIFT either). Actually, even the people I know who have had GIFT – well, I don’t know anyone who’s had a successful GIFT cycle (and like I said, I don’t know anyone who’s done a zygote transfer at all).

My quick little bit of research with Dr. Google suggests that the “normal” number of embryos to transfer in a ZIFT cycle is between one and four. So five is out of that range, but not significantly. Further, the success rate with ZIFT is approximately 26% and the chance of multiple gestation if you do get pregnant is 35%. My guess is that there’s also a slightly higher rate of ectopic pregnancy with ZIFT than with IVF also, but of course IVF raises your rate of ectopic pregnancy over spontaneous pregnancy anyway.

Frankly, I can’t find a single article via Dr. Google that suggests any reason for doing ZIFT over IVF. Does anyone know? I can understand the reasons for doing GIFT, but ZIFT? It’s more expensive, more risky, less successful, has a high rate of multiple pregnancy when you do have a successful pregnancy (not very often), involves invasive surgery, and doesn’t have the advantage that GIFT has of having fertilization inside the body thereby avoiding the ethical/religious issue that IVF has for some people. So what gives?

Oh! I *just* found one thing suggesting a reason to do ZIFT. ONE! From the Huntington Reproductive Center:

The use of ZIFT is not that widespread. However, at HRC we have leaned towards performing ZIFT on a select group of patients because early on we noticed an increase in pregnancy rates especially amongst older patients and those with unexplained infertility.HRC’s overall take home baby rate for 500 egg retrievals performed for ZIFT is 48%. This elivered rate includes 81 egg retrievals performed on patients over 40 years of age.

The above data suggests that at our center patients who have had multiple failed IVF cycles or who have patent tubes but are older should consider ZIFT/TET as a treatment option. It is possible that the fallopian tube may have the capacity to rescue “marginal embryos” as well as allowing the developing embryos to remain in the tube and then as in a natural pregnancy move into the uterus at the appropriate physiological time for implantation.

At last! A reason!

Okay, so let’s assume this 40+yo woman has had multiple failed IVF cycles and she has marginal embryos. Let’s also remember that the ASRM/SART guidelines for IVF (and I can only assume that they’d be the same for GIFT) for a woman that age is to not transfer more than five embryos in a cycle. So five embryos is within those guidelines.

Would I do it? Would I take that risk? No. But I’m 33, and I already have kids, so it’s easy for me to say, isn’t it? I’ve also had a set of HOMs and I’m flat out petrified of that happening again, but the risk of HOMs in a woman over 40 is much lower, because, frankly, the pregnancy rate is much lower. So I don’t have the same circumstances.

SO… all that being said – I’ll have to assume that this mystery 40+y.o.’s doctor was acting responsibly with her best interests in mind with the best available medical literature at his or her fingertips. And I wish her the best of luck and a healthy SINGLETON pregnancy as a result.

I’m filing this under “FAQ’s” even though, clearly, this is not a frequently asked question.

Ahem. Now that I’m over my little hissy fit from last night. And, um, this morning. And, um, this afternoon… Have I calmed down over the proposed Georgia legislation? In a word? Not so much. It turns out, I’m a wee bit, shall we say, opinionated.

Let’s review this proposed legislation, shall we? In plain English, the Georgia so-called “Ethical Treatment of Human Embryos Act” (the title makes me want to vomit a little, how about you?) seeks to do the following:

1. Limit the number of embryos transferred in an IVF cycle to 2, if under 40 (3 if 40 or over).
2. Limit the number of eggs fertilized (and therefore the number of embryos created) per IVF cycle to the number of embryos the woman is planning to transfer. (e.g. no more than 2 in a woman under 40, 3 in a woman 40 or over). If more eggs than that were retrieved in a cycle, those additional eggs could not be fertilized.
3. If extra embryos are created, they may not be cryopreserved or destroyed; they must be transferred. (In other words, if 2 are created, a woman may not opt to transfer a single embryo and cryopreserve the remaining embryo, she must transfer both of the the embryos to her uterus).
4. The bill also bans all financial compensation for donor gametes (sperm, eggs, embryos). This would seriously limit the donor pool in Georgia. It may, in fact, eliminate it entirely.

Note, of course, that the bill does not propose any financial relief or mandated insurance coverage (Georgia does not currently have an insurance mandate either) to help with the added financial burden of using less effective treatment. Patients will still have to pay out of pocket for less effective treatment.

Here’s the first thing, and let’s get this out of the way right off the bat: I am never going to support legislation that attempts to regulate what I believe needs to remain a discretionary decision between a doctor and a patient. Should, under most circumstances, 2 embryos transferred in an IVF cycle be an appropriate course of action? Absolutely. Do most doctors today follow that guideline? Statistics are showing that, yes, doctors are trending that direction quickly. But are there ever circumstances of patient history, embryo quality, etc. that might suggest a different course of action may be appropriate? Certainly. And that’s when legislation like this is inappropriate. Think about it: If a legislator can dictate how a doctor practices his/her field in infertility then there is no telling what may happen down the line with other specialties. Would you want a politician telling your cardiologist when it’s appropriate to do a cardiac catheterization? Or when your neurologist can prescribe beta blockers? Maybe only on alternate Thursdays?

So now that we’ve got out of the way that I have a blanket opposition to any sort of legislation like this, let’s move on, shall we?

Let’s think about the provisions a little more.

Limiting the number of embryos transferred. Sure it seems sensible. Gosh, I sure don’t want to continue this epidemic of octomoms and HOMs, do you? I mean, do you remember all those sextuplets that were all born a couple years ago? Oh. RIGHT! Those were all from IUI! That’s RIGHT! Octomom just happens to be the first case of octuplets born as the result of IVF well… ever. And sextuplets? Right, also generally IVF. In fact, most cases of quads and triplets even are the result, not of IVF, but of IUI. Even twin statistics in IVF are going down because with the increasing popularity and success rates with eSET when used in an appropriate patient population, you can reduce your twin risk from upwards of 40% down to as low as 1%, without lowering your overall success rate. So this epidemic of HOMs that the great state of Georgia is so concerned about happening in their state? What was it Ralph T. Hudgens said? “Nadya Suleman is going to cost the state of California millions of dollars over the years; the taxpayers are going to have to fund the 14 children she has … I don’t want that to happen in Georgia.” Oh because Nadya Suleman’s pregnacy was, what? Contagious? Um. No.

In fact, limiting the number of embryos transferred in an IVF cycle may seem quite sensible. And, in fact, the ASRM and SART do have guidelines that recommend doing exactly that. They have, over the years, been dramatically lowering the number of embryos they recommend transferring in an IVF cycle and are recommending eSET with increasing frequency these days. While they are guidelines, the statistics do show that by and large, doctors in the industry are following them. And doctors who are found to be consistently in violation of these guidelines can have their SART membership revoked. Think that’s not such a big deal? Well, think again, because many insurance companies will only cover doctors who are members in good standing with SART. So legislation? Just not necessary, and, honestly? Quite possibly harmful because it takes away the discretionary ability of the doctor for the case-by-case determination of a patient’s needs.

Now what about this fertilization/embryo creation business? I’m sorry, but this is utter crap. The bill proposes limiting doctors/embryology labs to only fertilizing up to 2 eggs per IVF cycle for women under 40 (3 for women 40 or over). The politicians/Right to Lifers who wrote this bill clearly have no grasp of the medical science at play here. There is generally an attrition rate on embryos and it can be as high as 50-75%. What do you do then? It’s too late now to make another, so now you’re stuck.

So I’ll give you a personal example. In my last IVF cycle, I had 10 eggs retrieved, 9 were mature and miraculous, all fertilized and were 2 celled embryos the next day. By Day 3 I had 7 crappy looking Embryos. On Day 5, I had 4 “meh” looking morulas. On Day 6 (transfer day), I had 2 decent looking blastocysts. I transferred one. The other didn’t make it to freeze (and neither did the other ones that had been lagging behind). My cycle failed. The Georgia politicians who were so worried that if I fertilized all 9 of my mature eggs I’d end up with 8 little human beings (and make no mistake, the language of the bill makes it clear that they believe that my embryos are living human beings) on ice indefinitely after I transferred my one blastocyst on day 6? Needn’t have worried. Nothing made it to freeze. If I’d only fertilized 2 eggs in the first place? I may never have even made it to transfer, but I would have probably blown about $10K for nothing.

Note, the bill provides for no additional financial relief, such as insurance coverage to help with the added financial burden of using less effective treatment.

Further, note that if I made two embryos in the hypothetical scenario, and miraculously, both survived until transfer day – I would have to transfer both embryos to my uterus. I would not be allowed to destroy it, per the language in the bill (actually, it’s so poorly written, that there’s a loophole there, but the INTENT of the bill is to keep people from destroying embryos, so let’s go with that for the sake of argument, for the moment). Nor would I be allowed to cryopreserve the embryo. So me, who cannot under any circumstances risk having another multiple pregnancy, would have to transfer two embryos because of the way this law is written. OR I would have to simply have fertilized only one egg in the first place, again risking that my one embryo ever made it to transfer.

And banning all compensation for donor gametes? That’s just tacky.

What I hadn’t realized was that there was a second bill being considered this morning. SB 204/HB388 is an embryo adoption bill. It would subject embryo donation to all the same provisio
ns as required by law for adoption of a child. This would subject infertility patients needing an embryo donation to go through the judicial proceedings, home visits, and other procedures required for an adoption. Do you really think this is appropriate? Is this really what you want?

But back to SB169…. there’s a lot of disturbing language in the bill: In disputes arising between any parties regarding the in vitro human embryo, the judicial standard for resolving such disputes shall be the best interest of the in vitro human embryo. Yeah, what? That’s a custody standard used for custody disputes involving children. How exactly is the judicial body going to apply that standard to an embryo?

Another example of disturbing language: Nothing in this article shall be construed to affect conduct relating to abortion as provided in Chapter 12 of Title 16; provided, however, that nothing in this article shall be construed or implied to recognize any independent right to abortion under the laws of this state. To hell if this isn’t a reflection on abortion stance. And this bill was written, in part, by the Georgia Right to Life Campaign. You think that this wasn’t written as a right to life issue? WHATEVER.

More disturbing (emphasis mine): A living in vitro human embryo is a biological human being who is not the property of any person or entity. The fertility physician and the medical facility that employs the physician owe a high duty of care to the living in vitro human embryo. Any contractual provision identifying the living in vitro embryo as the property of any party shall be null and void. The in vitro human embryo shall not be intentionally destroyed for any purpose by any person or entity or through the actions of such person or entity.

I’ll let you figure out why that one bothers me.

Let’s be clear…. either the politicians who drafted this law understand NOTHING about the medical science behind IVF and how it works and didn’t care enough to consult a single doctor or embryologist while drafting this bill. OR, alternatively, they DO understand the science, and they seek, instead, simply to eliminate IVF from Georgia entirely. And in doing so, they’ll shut down a $50million dollar (give or take) industry in Georgia and they don’t care that they’re doing so.

I don’t want another set of HOMs. I’d like to see fewer HOMs resulting from fertility treatment. Truthfully, I think this piece of legislation could potentially INCREASE the number of HOMs because it will make IVF so difficult to effectively obtain in Georgia that people will instead turn to IUI with injectible gonadotropins. And guess what happens then?

So… have I calmed down over this proposed piece of crap? Not so much. But I’m quite glad that it was sent to subcommittee for “further research.”

About that Bill…

Ahem.   Now that I'm over my little hissy fit from last night.  And, um, this morning.  And, um, this afternoon…  Have I calmed down over the proposed Georgia legislation?  In a word?  Not so much.  It turns out, I'm a wee bit, shall we say, opinionated.
 
Let's review this proposed legislation, shall we?  In plain English, the Georgia so-called "Ethical Treatment of Human Embryos Act" (the title makes me want to vomit a little, how about you?) seeks to do the following:
 
1.  Limit the number of embryos transferred in an IVF cycle to 2, if under 40 (3 if 40 or over). 
2.  Limit the number of eggs fertilized (and therefore the number of embryos created) per IVF cycle to the number of embryos the woman is planning to transfer.  (e.g. no more than 2 in a woman under 40, 3 in a woman 40 or over).    If more eggs than that were retrieved in a cycle, those additional eggs could not be fertilized.
3.  If extra embryos are created, they may not be cryopreserved or destroyed; they must be transferred.  (In other words, if 2 are created, a woman may not opt to transfer a single embryo and cryopreserve the remaining embryo, she must transfer both of the the embryos to her uterus).
4.  The bill also bans all financial compensation for donor gametes (sperm, eggs, embryos). This would seriously limit the donor pool in Georgia.  It may, in fact, eliminate it entirely.
 
Note, of course, that the bill does not propose any financial relief or mandated insurance coverage (Georgia does not currently have an insurance mandate either) to help with the added financial burden of using less effective treatment. Patients will still have to pay out of pocket for less effective treatment.  
 
Here's the first thing, and let's get this out of the way right off the bat:  I am never going to support legislation that attempts to regulate what I believe needs to remain a discretionary decision between a doctor and a patient.  Should, under most circumstances, 2 embryos transferred in an IVF cycle be an appropriate course of action?   Absolutely.  Do most doctors today follow that guideline?  Statistics are showing that, yes, doctors are trending that direction quickly.  But are there ever circumstances of patient history, embryo quality, etc. that might suggest a different course of action may be appropriate?  Certainly.  And that's when legislation like this is inappropriate.    Think about it:  If a legislator can dictate how a doctor practices his/her field in infertility then there is no telling what may happen down the line with other specialties.  Would you want a politician telling your cardiologist when it's appropriate to do a cardiac catheterization?  Or when your neurologist can prescribe beta blockers?  Maybe only on alternate Thursdays?
 
So now that we've got out of the way that I have a blanket opposition to any sort of legislation like this, let's move on, shall we?
 
Let's think about the provisions a little more.
 
Limiting the number of embryos transferred.  Sure it seems sensible.  Gosh, I sure don't want to continue this epidemic of octomoms and HOMs, do you?  I mean, do you remember all those sextuplets that were all born a couple years ago?  Oh.   RIGHT!  Those were all from IUI!  That's RIGHT!  Octomom just happens to be the first case of octuplets born as the result of IVF well… ever.  And sextuplets?  Right, also generally IVF.  In fact, most cases of quads and triplets even are the result, not of IVF, but of IUI.  Even twin statistics in IVF are going down because with the increasing popularity and success rates with eSET when used in an appropriate patient population, you can reduce your twin risk from upwards of 40% down to as low as 1%, without lowering your overall success rate.  So this epidemic of HOMs that the great state of Georgia is so concerned about happening in their state?  What was it Ralph T. Hudgens said?  "Nadya Suleman is going to cost the state of California millions of dollars over the years; the taxpayers are going to have to fund the 14 children she has … I don't want that to happen in Georgia."  Oh because Nadya Suleman's pregnacy was, what?  Contagious?  Um.  No. 
 
In fact, limiting the number of embryos transferred in an IVF cycle may seem quite sensible.  And, in fact, the ASRM and SART do have guidelines that recommend doing exactly that.  They have, over the years, been dramatically lowering the number of embryos they recommend transferring in an IVF cycle and are recommending eSET with increasing frequency these days.  While they are guidelines, the statistics do show that by and large, doctors in the industry are following them.  And doctors who are found to be consistently in violation of these guidelines can have their SART membership revoked.  Think that's not such a big deal?  Well, think again, because many insurance companies will only cover doctors who are members in good standing with SART.  So legislation?  Just not necessary, and, honestly?  Quite possibly harmful because it takes away the discretionary ability of the doctor for the case-by-case determination of a patient's needs.
 
Now what about this fertilization/embryo creation business?  I'm sorry, but this is utter crap.  The bill proposes limiting doctors/embryology labs to only fertilizing up to 2 eggs per IVF cycle for women under 40 (3 for women 40 or over).  The politicians/Right to Lifers who wrote this bill clearly have no grasp of the medical science at play here.  There is generally an attrition rate on embryos and it can be as high as 50-75%.  What do you do then?  It's too late now to make another, so now you're stuck.
 
So I'll give you a personal example.  In my last IVF cycle, I had 10 eggs retrieved, 9 were mature and miraculous, all fertilized and were 2 celled embryos the next day.  By Day 3 I had 7 crappy looking Embryos.  On Day 5, I had 4 "meh" looking morulas.  On Day 6 (transfer day), I had 2 decent looking blastocysts.  I transferred one. The other didn't make it to freeze (and neither did the other ones that had been lagging behind).  My cycle failed.  The Georgia politicians who were so worried that if I fertilized all 9 of my mature eggs I'd end up with 8 little human beings (and make no mistake, the language of the bill makes it clear that they believe that my embryos are living human beings) on ice indefinitely after I transferred my one blastocyst on day 6?  Needn't have worried.  Nothing made it to freeze.   If I'd only fertilized 2 eggs in the first place?  I may never have even made it to transfer, but I would have probably blown about $10K for nothing. 
 
Note, the bill provides for no additional financial relief, such as insurance coverage to help with the added financial burden of using less effective treatment. 
 
Further, note that if I made two embryos in the hypothetical scenario, and miraculously, both survived until transfer day – I would have to transfer both embryos to my uterus.  I would not be allowed to destroy it, per the language in the bill (actually, it's so poorly written, that there's a loophole there, but the INTENT of the bill is to keep people from destroying embryos, so let's go with that for the sake of argument, for the moment).  Nor would I be allowed to cryopreserve the embryo.  So me, who cannot under any circumstances risk having another multiple pregnancy, would have to transfer two embryos because of the way this law is written.  OR I would have to simply have fertilized only one egg in the first place, again risking that my one embryo ever made it to transfer. 
 
And banning all compensation for donor gametes?  That's just tacky.
 
What I hadn't realized was that there was a second bill being considered this morning.  SB 204/HB388 is an embryo adoption bill. It would subject embryo donation to all the same provisions as required by law for adoption of a child. This would subject infertility patients needing an embryo donation to go through the judicial proceedings, home visits, and other procedures required for an adoption.   Do you really think this is appropriate?  Is this really what you want? 
 
But back to SB169…. there's a lot of disturbing language in the bill:  In disputes arising between any parties regarding the in vitro human embryo, the judicial standard for resolving such disputes shall be the best interest of the in vitro human embryoYeah, what?  That's a custody standard used for custody disputes involving children.  How exactly is the judicial body going to apply that standard to an embryo?
 
Another example of disturbing language:  Nothing in this article shall be construed to affect conduct relating to abortion as provided in Chapter 12 of Title 16; provided, however, that nothing in this article shall be construed or implied to recognize any independent right to abortion under the laws of this state.  To hell if this isn't a reflection on abortion stance.  And this bill was written, in part, by the Georgia Right to Life Campaign.  You think that this wasn't written as a right to life issue?  WHATEVER.
 
More disturbing (emphasis mine):  A living in vitro human embryo is a biological human being who is not the property of any person or entity. The fertility physician and the medical facility that employs the physician owe a high duty of care to the living in vitro human embryo. Any contractual provision identifying the living in vitro embryo as the property of any party shall be null and void. The in vitro human embryo shall not be intentionally destroyed for any purpose by any person or entity or through the actions of such person or entity.
 
I'll let you figure out why that one bothers me.
 
 
Let's be clear…. either the politicians who drafted this law understand NOTHING about the medical science behind IVF and how it works and didn't care enough to consult a single doctor or embryologist while drafting this bill.  OR, alternatively, they DO understand the science, and they seek, instead, simply to eliminate IVF from Georgia entirely.  And in doing so, they'll shut down a $50million dollar (give or take) industry in Georgia and they don't care that they're doing so.
 
I don't want another set of HOMs.  I'd like to see fewer HOMs resulting from fertility treatment.  Truthfully, I think this piece of legislation could potentially INCREASE the number of HOMs because it will make IVF so difficult to effectively obtain in Georgia that people will instead turn to IUI with injectible gonadotropins.  And guess what happens then? 
 
So…  have I calmed down over this proposed piece of crap?  Not so much.  But I'm quite glad that it was sent to subcommittee for "further research."