2. Limit the number of eggs fertilized (and therefore the number of embryos created) per IVF cycle to the number of embryos the woman is planning to transfer. (e.g. no more than 2 in a woman under 40, 3 in a woman 40 or over). If more eggs than that were retrieved in a cycle, those additional eggs could not be fertilized.
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About that Bill…
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2. Limit the number of eggs fertilized (and therefore the number of embryos created) per IVF cycle to the number of embryos the woman is planning to transfer. (e.g. no more than 2 in a woman under 40, 3 in a woman 40 or over). If more eggs than that were retrieved in a cycle, those additional eggs could not be fertilized.
Stressful Week (so far…)
Posted in One of Those Not So Fresh Days on March 5, 2009| 9 Comments »
It’s been a difficult week, but there have been many upsides.
First, the hospital visit:
The triplets have had a cold for about 10-12 days. It was nothing more than a runny nose, so I didn’t think much of it. But over the weekend, Ellie started coughing. And coughing some more. And then some more coughing. That was Saturday. Then Sunday the coughing got worse and was accompanied by a what I thought might be a little wheezing, but it wasn’t so bad. And I thought, “Well, if it gets any worse, I’ll take her to the doctor tomorrow. I’m sure she’s fine.” Sunday evening, I put her to bed and she woke up within an hour coughing and crying, completely miserable. She was definitely wheezing. I paged the doctor on call (the doctor I don’t love), and told her what was going on and she said, “Well, there’s not a lot you can do for coughing other than steam treatments. She might have an ear infection also, so you can try giving her Tylenol or ibuprofen and see if that helps. Call me if it gets worse.” But my baby! My baby was wheezing. I called my friend who’s a pediatrician down the block and told her what was going on. She said she could listen to her, but if she was wheezing and really laboring to breathe, she needed to go to the emergency room. Within an hour of having talked to my doctor-on-call, it was clear that my baby really couldn’t breathe. So I called my doctor back, told her I was taking her to the ER, and left.
We were seen immediately, and they immediately checked her pulseox, gave her steroids, albuterol via nebulizer, got a chest x-ray, gave her a thorough work up. The first albuterol treatment helped a little, then she regressed. The second albuterol treatment didn’t help at all. The chest x-ray was pure misery. They put my baby girl in this horrible medieval torture device that she hated and she raged against. The x-ray technician thought she was going to break it, her rage made her so strong. I secretly thanked heaven for her strength. Strength and rage was better than lethargy. Secretly, I didn’t blame her for raging against that contraption. I would have, too. The x-ray was consistent with an upper respiratory infection, but showed no signs of pneumonia. She continued to wheeze, gasp for air, her pulseox continued to drop, so the ER doctor decided to admit her.
My poor baby. My Eliana.
Eliana means “Please, My God” (as in a prayer) or “My God has answered” (we actually spell it the second way). Though I was certain she would be fine, I was obviously praying for her to be fine. My prayers were answered and she was released Monday evening. Not without a little drama which I won’t relay here in the interests of time.
She’s still on prednisone (almost done with that) and albuterol (every four hours until we decide she doesn’t need it). And she’s been diagnosed with Reactive Airway Disease, and possibly asthma. She’ll likely need nebulizer (albuterol) treatments every time she gets any sort of cough/upper respiratory virus for the long term. But at least now we know what’s going on. The virus she got this time could have been anything, just a cold, RSV, whatever. They don’t know. But for sure, the other triplets have it, too, but not to worry – to them, it shouldn’t be anything more than a bad cold/upper respiratory infection.
Why Tuesday Sucked Mightily
After having gone 45 hours without sleep, I slept nearly 8 hours Monday night, which was miraculous. Tuesday was a rush of activity – taking Ellie to the doctor, trying to squeeze in some work, etc. Took J-man to speech therapy and on the way… *WHAM* I was rear-ended. No damage to my car, but my head started pounding immediately and my neck was really stiff. Still, no harm, no foul. Second time I’ve been rear-ended on my way to Speech Therapy in six weeks. Sigh.
Speech therapist was running 10 minutes behind, fortunately, not a big deal, but I was tired, I didn’t want to be running behind tonight of all nights. Sigh. On the way out of the office, I called Seth to see what his status was – it was nearly six o’clock… he should have been halfway home. He didn’t answer his cell phone, so I paged him. And he called me back. From his office number.
“What on earth are you still doing in Baltimore??”
“Well, if you’ll give me a chance, I’ll tell you what happened.”
His car wouldn’t start. And someone in the garage tried to jumpstart the battery, but no dice. Le Sigh. Fortunately, it was a Tuesday. We have a babysitter on Tuesdays. So I got the J-man home, got Ellie her nebulizer treatment and her prednisone, got the babies to bed, got the J-man his dinner, packed up my things, and headed to Baltimore to rescue my husband, who meanwhile had called Roadside Assist to tow his car (they wouldn’t tow all the way back home, but would tow somewhere close to his work to someplace that would replace the battery the next day… he just needed me to pick him up so that he could get home for the night).
Half-way to Baltimore, he called and said, “A miracle happened – Roadside Assist was able to get my car started.”
Needless to say, I still made the man take me to dinner.
Wednesday Doesn’t Get Much Better
I woke up Wednesday feeling like I had been hit by a truck. Worse, Abby woke up sounding like she’d been hit by a truck. Poor baby. She was wheezing, coughing, struggling for air. I made a mid-afternoon appointment for her with the pediatrician.
And by mid-afternoon? She was fine. That’s what tends to happen with these things, by the way. Worst at night and first thing in the morning. Clear up during the day. Le Sigh.
By evening, Abby was just awful. She was wheezing, gasping for air, coughing. She couldn’t sleep. She screamed so much, she went hoarse by the next morning. She was miserable. Finally, we paged the doctor and gave her a nebulizer treatment which seemed to help.
Now I wonder if I have two babies with reactive airway disease. It’s certainly not outside the realm of possibility, since they were both premature babies, and premature babies are obviously predisposed to respiratory issues, though as premature babies go, they were very healthy and escaped most of the respiratory issues that many premature babies have, since they were triplets (premature HOMs, especially ones born as late as mine were, tend to have more mature lungs than premature singletons because they get more respiratory stimulation in utero than singletons do).
Which Brings Us to Today
Everyone is recovering, including Mommy. It’s just been a rough week. I just wish there were more hours to sleep. I keep saying maybe tomorrow, but then the other shoe drops. Gosh, I have a lot of shoes.
The Good News:
- Currently, none of my children are in the hospital, and they are all on the mend.
- My husband’s car has been repaired. We had a lovely dinner in Baltimore.
- My car sustained no damage in the minor accident I had. J-man was also unharmed.
- J-man made it to Speech Therapy on Tuesday and had a successful (if bouncy) session.
- I’m married to a delightful, wonderful man who takes care of me when I’m at my wits’ end.
- I have so many supportive and wonderful friends, and such wonderful family.
- I am very blessed.
Response
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BettyRubble wrote a comment:
To be honest, I think [the Georgia bill on embryo transfer limitations is] very reasonable. It is unfortunate that it took the birth of octuplets to “command” that a bill be nessessary when most doctors use common sense for how many embryo’s to transfer. I could see an uproar if they said one regardless, but two is reasonable.
Note: Here is the bill. I recommend reading through it.
And I responded… not nearly as articulate as my original post, but this will do for the moment:
If it were JUST about limiting the number of embryos transferred I MIGHT agree with you IN THEORY. (Except that I will never agree with legislating something which I believe needs to be a discretionary medical decision – particularly in a state that does not have an insurance mandate. If the state of Georgia isn’t going to mandate that insurance companies help PAY for IVF then limiting IVF in this manner is just plain ridiculous).
HOWEVER, they don’t just limit the number of embryos to be TRANSFERRED in a cycle. They limit the number of embryos to be CREATED in a cycle. And that is ridiculous. This means that for a woman under 40, only 2 eggs can be fertilized in an IVF cycle and no one will ever have any embryos to freeze (they are specifically trying to avoid a case where anyone will ever have cryopreserved embryos – so that they won’t have a Nadya Suleman who has six embryos frozen and decides to transfer them all at once – I get that, but it’s stupid, because she’s the EXCEPTION). (by the way, this is, I believe, the practice that Italy follows – and they have possibly the lowest IVF success rates in the world).
So if you only fertilize 2 eggs – and hey, guess what? That’s going to mean everyone has to use ICSI from now on, so tack on $5K to every cycle cost at the expense of the individual since there’s no insurance mandate in the great state of Georgia! Anyway, so if you only fertilize 2 eggs, you’re now facing the well-known attrition rate that you always face in the embryology lab. Many women won’t ever make it to transfer.
Yes, you can freeze the eggs that you don’t fertilize. But there’s a reason this isn’t commonly done. Egg cryopreservation is relatively new – eggs are far more fragile than embryos and don’t withstand the cryopreservation process nearly as heartily as embryos do. They don’t survive at nearly as frequent a rate as embryos do, and we all know that even embryos have a pretty high attrition rate in the thawing process (though that attrition rate is getting better over time).
So say neither of your two embryos make it to transfer. Now you’ve got a woman who’s lost a whole shitload of money on her IVF cycle and now has to scrape together money for an FET – oh wait! there IS no FET. But they’ll thaw a couple of her eggs – IF they survive and hopefully make 2 more embryos – IF they can – and then she’s stuck in a holding pattern on Lupron and estrace (PLEASANT drugs to be on LET ME TELL YOU!) while she’s waiting to see if this is even going to work, and maybe while they sit around trying to see if this will even work, and hoping that her lining gets to be thick enough, and, oh gosh, that darned attrition rate, well, we only got one crappy embryo out of it because one of them didn’t make it and the other egg was a little damaged coming out of the thaw process. So we’ll transfer one in a patient who wasn’t actually an ideal candidate for eSET.
Oh and I’m ALL FOR eSET in the ideal patient set, remember. But eSET is best used when you’ve got a bunch of embryos that you culture out to day 5 and let natural selection choose which one is the best one. And remember, I had 9 embryos growing on Day 2 for my last IVF cycle. By Day 5, I had 4 almost-blastocysts (morulas) I think. By Day 6 I had 2 blastocysts to choose from and a couple struggling ones. Nothing made it to freeze, including that second blastocyst.
Nothing.
So Georgia’s worries about me having six embryos leftover to freeze from my 9 embryos I started out with? Hogwash.
Per the Wall Street Journal: The bill was drafted in part by Georgia Right to Life, an organization that opposes abortion and seeks regulation that would treat embryos as human beings. “To us it’s a human-rights issue,” said Daniel Becker, Georgia Right to Life’s president. Embryos deserve legal protection “as living human beings and not as property,” he said.
This is where I take issue. Turning IVF into a Right to Life issue gets my blood boiling.
The bill further states that the embryos are NOT the property of anyone and that any custody disputes arising about the embryos will be decided by the judicial body “in the best interests of the embryo.” Now, that’s a standard used in custody cases for children. How exactly is the judicial body going to apply that standard to a blob of cells sitting in a petrie dish?
“Nadya Suleman is going to cost the state of California millions of dollars over the years; the taxpayers are going to have to fund the 14 children she has,” Republican state Sen. Ralph T. Hudgens, one of the sponsors of the bill, said in an interview. “I don’t want that to happen in Georgia.”
Tell me that isn’t him admitting this was a knee-jerk reaction?
I can’t condone a law that was written, not with the aide of medical practitioners with time and thought put into it, but in a knee-jerk reaction, with a mere month between the time of the birth of those octuplets and the release of this bill and written by politicians and the Georgia Right to Life.
The bill (if passed as written) will shut down the Georgia IVF industry as far as I can figure – because people will simply go out of state to get better, more successful, care – a multi-million dollar industry for their state.
And that is only the tip of the iceberg on what my issue with the bill is.
Gah!
Posted in in the news on March 5, 2009| 3 Comments »
I wrote a very articulate and scathing post about Georgia’s proposed bill on restricting the number of embryos transferred and created in an IVF cycle.
But then I went to copy the post to my clipboard before posting it just in case anything happened to it while posting it and a slip of the keyboard erased the entire post.
Suffice it to say, I was brilliant. And I might re-write the post later, but, um… not now.
Response
Posted in Infertility sucks a giant black hole of suckiness on March 5, 2009| 5 Comments »
BettyRubble wrote a comment:
To be honest, I think [the Georgia bill on embryo transfer limitations is] very reasonable. It is unfortunate that it took the birth of octuplets to "command" that a bill be nessessary when most doctors use common sense for how many embryo's to transfer. I could see an uproar if they said one regardless, but two is reasonable.
Note: Here is the bill. I recommend reading through it.
And I responded… not nearly as articulate as my original post, but this will do for the moment:
If it were JUST about limiting the number of embryos transferred I MIGHT agree with you IN THEORY. (Except that I will never agree with legislating something which I believe needs to be a discretionary medical decision – particularly in a state that does not have an insurance mandate. If the state of Georgia isn't going to mandate that insurance companies help PAY for IVF then limiting IVF in this manner is just plain ridiculous).
HOWEVER, they don't just limit the number of embryos to be TRANSFERRED in a cycle. They limit the number of embryos to be CREATED in a cycle. And that is ridiculous. This means that for a woman under 40, only 2 eggs can be fertilized in an IVF cycle and no one will ever have any embryos to freeze (they are specifically trying to avoid a case where anyone will ever have cryopreserved embryos – so that they won't have a Nadya Suleman who has six embryos frozen and decides to transfer them all at once – I get that, but it's stupid, because she's the EXCEPTION). (by the way, this is, I believe, the practice that Italy follows – and they have possibly the lowest IVF success rates in the world).
So if you only fertilize 2 eggs – and hey, guess what? That's going to mean everyone has to use ICSI from now on, so tack on $5K to every cycle cost at the expense of the individual since there's no insurance mandate in the great state of Georgia! Anyway, so if you only fertilize 2 eggs, you're now facing the well-known attrition rate that you always face in the embryology lab. Many women won't ever make it to transfer.
Yes, you can freeze the eggs that you don't fertilize. But there's a reason this isn't commonly done. Egg cryopreservation is relatively new – eggs are far more fragile than embryos and don't withstand the cryopreservation process nearly as heartily as embryos do. They don't survive at nearly as frequent a rate as embryos do, and we all know that even embryos have a pretty high attrition rate in the thawing process (though that attrition rate is getting better over time).
So say neither of your two embryos make it to transfer. Now you've got a woman who's lost a whole shitload of money on her IVF cycle and now has to scrape together money for an FET – oh wait! there IS no FET. But they'll thaw a couple of her eggs – IF they survive and hopefully make 2 more embryos – IF they can – and then she's stuck in a holding pattern on Lupron and estrace (PLEASANT drugs to be on LET ME TELL YOU!) while she's waiting to see if this is even going to work, and maybe while they sit around trying to see if this will even work, and hoping that her lining gets to be thick enough, and, oh gosh, that darned attrition rate, well, we only got one crappy embryo out of it because one of them didn't make it and the other egg was a little damaged coming out of the thaw process. So we'll transfer one in a patient who wasn't actually an ideal candidate for eSET.
Oh and I'm ALL FOR eSET in the ideal patient set, remember. But eSET is best used when you've got a bunch of embryos that you culture out to day 5 and let natural selection choose which one is the best one. And remember, I had 9 embryos growing on Day 2 for my last IVF cycle. By Day 5, I had 4 almost-blastocysts (morulas) I think. By Day 6 I had 2 blastocysts to choose from and a couple struggling ones. Nothing made it to freeze, including that second blastocyst.
Nothing.
So Georgia's worries about me having six embryos leftover to freeze from my 9 embryos I started out with? Hogwash.
Per the Wall Street Journal: The bill was drafted in part by Georgia Right to Life, an organization that opposes abortion and seeks regulation that would treat embryos as human beings. "To us it's a human-rights issue," said Daniel Becker, Georgia Right to Life's president. Embryos deserve legal protection "as living human beings and not as property," he said.
This is where I take issue. Turning IVF into a Right to Life issue gets my blood boiling.
The bill further states that the embryos are NOT the property of anyone and that any custody disputes arising about the embryos will be decided by the judicial body "in the best interests of the embryo." Now, that's a standard used in custody cases for children. How exactly is the judicial body going to apply that standard to a blob of cells sitting in a petrie dish?
"Nadya Suleman is going to cost the state of California millions of dollars over the years; the taxpayers are going to have to fund the 14 children she has," Republican state Sen. Ralph T. Hudgens, one of the sponsors of the bill, said in an interview. "I don't want that to happen in Georgia."
Tell me that isn't him admitting this was a knee-jerk reaction?
I can't condone a law that was written, not with the aide of medical practitioners with time and thought put into it, but in a knee-jerk reaction, with a mere month between the time of the birth of those octuplets and the release of this bill and written by politicians and the Georgia Right to Life.
The bill (if passed as written) will shut down the Georgia IVF industry as far as I can figure – because people will simply go out of state to get better, more successful, care – a multi-million dollar industry for their state.
And that is only the tip of the iceberg on what my issue with the bill is.
Gah!
Posted in in the news on March 5, 2009| 1 Comment »
I wrote a very articulate and scathing post about Georgia's proposed bill on restricting the number of embryos transferred and created in an IVF cycle.
But then I went to copy the post to my clipboard before posting it just in case anything happened to it while posting it and a slip of the keyboard erased the entire post.
Suffice it to say, I was brilliant. And I might re-write the post later, but, um… not now.